Talker knows, you know, we got some problems.

So, you know, we're talking how to solve them.

We may laugh, we learn, we might be your game, Smith and peace.

Yo, yeah, what's going on?

You have a nice studio there.

Yeah, we, yeah, we go to podcast and, you know, we do it at our house. So that's nice. We don't have to travel anywhere. Great. Very cool. Well, thank you so much for taking the time. We're so excited to chat with you and see you again. It's been a while. I know. Crazy. Yeah, it's such a full circle moment. So I was looking

the other day. Obviously, we read your book years ago. And then I just noticed that you got,

you wrote a children's book. So I just order it for my son and it's coming tomorrow. So I'm very

excited. I get to show me to go to. So very cool. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, you know, retirement. You got a lot of

time to do some weird stuff. So I am. Did you ever see yourself writing books? No. I mean,

yes, I was writing, I was in the midst of creating the memoir, basically when I was in the retirement phase, that last year of my

career. And I promised myself that I would never, ever write another book because it was so

brutal. And here's the deal.

Like when you're writing a memoir,

you're working with people,

you're working with a publisher,

you're working with editors,

copywriters.

All of these people are rereading and going over your work,

but you are the only one that knows your story. So the amount of times that I had to go through and edit this book, I was so freaking sick of myself at the end of it. So no, I didn't,

I didn't anticipate writing another book, but I did end up marrying an author. And she has helped me and has guided me into understanding that it doesn't have to necessarily

be as brutal.

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