What's up everybody? This is Cortland from AndyHackers.com and you're listening to the

EndieHackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of

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the opportunities and the strategies they're taking advantage of so the rest of us can do the same.

Today we have a very special guest on the podcast, the one and only Eva Allen. Hi, Mom. Happy Mother's Day.

Hey, thank you. Happy Mother's Day. Thank you. Welcome to the podcast. I am so excited to be here. I am shocked. Is this like my Mother's Day gift? This is your Mother's Day gift. Okay, so am I going to get another gift or is this it? What do you mean? This is it. This is it. This is the most specialist gift any mother could ask for. Oh, God. Well, I'm humble. I can't believe. The world's best Mother's Day gift in history. Thank you so much. I can't believe you guys think that much of me. I'm kind of impressed and shocked. Let me ask this question. Like no notice. No. Okay, Mom, we're going to have you on the podcast and we're going to ask you three questions and prepare. Because I mean, if you really know me, you know this is not me. I don't like, you know. But without notice, it's now a surprise. Exactly. If it wasn't a surprise, it would be a worst gift. How are we going to surprise you with a Mother's Day gift if we don't surprise you with the gift. Yeah, but typically Mother's Day gifts are what mothers want, but I mean, this is great. I'm not complaining. I'm just a little bit shocked by it all, but thank you. Honestly, I don't like typical gift giving. I don't know if you guys have ever done like the love languages, and it's like physical touch, quality time, blah, blah, blah, but one of them is gift giving and that's like I always score the lowest whenever I take any of those quizzes because I don't like giving gifts and I especially don't like giving gifts when I feel like expected to. So any sort of holiday, whether it's Christmas or Father's Day or Mother's Day or birthdays when's like, this is the day that you get somebody a gift is like the worst day for me to give a gift. And every other day. Does that mean that when you are not expected to give a gift, that you do give gifts? No, I also still don't like giving gifts. But I like the, I like the sort of intangible. It's the thought that can't. I like

experiential things. Like I like going on trips together, doing a podcast with you, Mom, I think is a cool

gift. It's like more of my, my style, my vibe. So I read the five love languages and it was a really,

really good book. And receiving gifts is one of the word,

one of the love languages. And I think when it comes to gift giving. I like that. That's my love

language. Receiving. Who doesn't like receiving gifts? But typically when you give a gift is something

that you want to make sure the receiver wants. You know, you don't go out and just randomly buy anything. You go out and, you know, you put thought into it. When you're picking out a card, you want to get a card that's really appropriate. So when the person reads a card, they feel like, oh, this person really loves me or this person really knows me or this is a perfect card, that sort of thing. So you might not like giving gifts, Cortland, but I guarantee you like receiving gifts, right? I like receiving them a little bit. But it's also like anxiety inducing, both giving and receiving. Because it's like, well, if someone gives you a gift and they didn't put a lot of thought into it, like you got to pretend to like it and pretend to be happy and pretend it's what you wanted. And like meanwhile, you're making plans for how you're going to give it away because you don't really want to put this vase like on your table.

Have you ever read? tend to like it and pretend to be happy and pretend it's what you wanted. And like, meanwhile, you're making plans for how you're going to give it away because you don't really want to put

this vase like on your table. Have you ever re-gifted? All the time. I read gift books mostly. Like, I'm not going to read. Have you ever told anyone that you were re-gifting? If they're close enough to give me a gift, I think they're close enough for me to tell them. I don't want this. I'm

giving it away. I think it can close enough for me to tell them. I don't want this. I'm giving it away.

I think it can be really, really stressful. I remember, I don't know, maybe 20 years or so ago.

My girlfriend and Shereen and I were sitting down making a list of, you know, all the people we need to buy gifts for at Christmas time.

And the list became monumental. I want to think we each had like over 150 gifts to buy. So what we decided to do, okay, for all the young people between the ages of 10 and 15,

we're going to get them all one thing. For all the men, we're going to get them all robes.

For all the women, it was just so impersonal and so stressful. And then we got to the point of, okay, we're going to go to each other's houses and we're going to spend like two days wrapping all these gifts. Whose idea was this? It sounds like my, like this is hell. This is the seventh layer. It sounds like Scrooge.

Why would you do this? You ever see Scrooge with Bill Murray where he has to give everybody a gift and he's the CEO and his secretary just reads the list of names.

If he likes somebody, he's like VCR, VCR.

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