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Okay, we're here with Arvid Call and Daniel Vassallo, two indie hackers who've been on the show before.

They're both very successful. They've both made a lot of money doing, I guess, following two very different paths. And I would say they're both great audience builders and teachers who have big followings on Twitter. And right now we're in the middle of talking about inflation, which I know literally nothing about. But Daniel, you had a really funny tweet about inflation recently where you talked about how inflation can't hurt you if you just avoid the red things on this graph.

And you shared kind of that classic graph of how prices have changed over time and the red things have gotten more expensive over the last 20 years, like textbooks, college, tuition, health care, housing, and food.

And the blue things have gotten cheaper over the last 20 years, like electronics, TVs,

cell phone, service, cars, etc.

So this is what you're doing, Daniel? You're just avoiding inflation by avoiding the red things?

Oh, I mean, it was mostly a joke, obviously. Like you, I know almost nothing about inflation,

but, you know, like many people I worry about because I have some savings and I don't want it to disappear. But I think, you know, it was 90% joke, but there's some too to it because I think, you know, when we see these inflation numbers, 8% inflation year on year, I mean, that's an average of lots of things. and it doesn't apply to everyone the same, right?

Depending on what you're spending money on. inflation year on year. I mean, that's an average of lots of things, and it doesn't apply to everyone the same, right?

Depending on what you're spending money on,

depending on what stage in your life you're in,

depending on what you do, what you can avoid.

For example, you know, housing,

you could, if you manage to secure house, by house,

you have a mortgage, you pretty much insulated

from rising housing costs.

So, and that's usually a big expense. So I think it was something, at least some food for it thought, but it was mostly a joke as well because some things you can't really avoid, of course, you know, food. Yeah, I saw food was one of the red things. Like, how do I avoid food? Well, I read that and I was like, so in other words, don't go to college, don't go to school, don't live in a house, just buy a computer and go live in a library. Yeah, don't get sick. Don't go to the hospital. Well, but I mean, on that topic, who here has, Daniel, I think I saw on Twitter that you do have kids? I do, yes. I mean, so what is your thought for them in school? I mean, they're going to be... Do you think your kids should go to college? Yeah, they were born in 2014 and 2017, but they're sort of seven and five. To be honest, I'm playing it by year. Like Arvid, I also come from Europe.

I come from a smaller country, Malta, which sort of has a different approach to education than the United States.

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