All right. So what do you want to do today? What do you want to accomplish today?

That's a great question. It's a great question. I think, well, you are a clinical psychologist.

So I do want to, I think, for my own life, it's important that I selfishly use this a little bit

to get advice from you personally, which I think is, which could, could help other people as well.

I have the new book here, which is called Beyond Order, which I love the title of that,

12 More Rules for Life, which was written, I know, a good chunk of this was written before

you ordeal, which we can talk about too. And, you know, just the, it's so funny on the book,

it says New York Times has called you the most influential public intellectual in the Western

world, which is undoubtedly true. It's a tremendous amount of pressure. And do you ever say to yourself,

like, do you ever look at the Western world and go, you know what? I don't want to be the most

influential public intellectual. I don't want to be responsible in any way for what's going on.

I would say I vary in that opinion moment to moment every day. You know, I'm in an extremely

fortunate position, but it's also a strange position and it isn't exactly clear to me how to

conceptualize it or how to move forward in the position that I'm in. So I'm actively working

that through. Do you like fame? Like, do you like the adulation of people? Because you've helped

the tremendous amount of people. And you're very well known that also comes with obviously a lot of

negatives. But there's a ton of positives to it. And do you have you grown to like them, to like

the idea of being famous? Well, I find it very difficult to accustom myself to it happened to

me quite late in life. And so it's still very strange for me to walk down the street and

be recognized continually. But in some of it's extremely positive. It's as if I'm always among

friends and well-wishers. I mean, you wouldn't get that impression if you looked at my

reputation online, let's say, because there's a disproportionate number of journalists who

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