The fact that topics of wellness are being infused into our culture and how we're learning to,

in the vocabulary we're using to talk about life from all different angles, is shifting the culture. Let it out, let it out,

let it out, I'm your host, Katie Dalebout. Today's is a long one, but it's a great one with Sahar. We met at the wing last spring and we recorded this conversation a couple

weeks ago in her beautiful Brooklyn apartment. And when I say beautiful, I mean there were essential oils

diffusing, a beautiful blue couch. It was very cozy, well-designed, feng shuied.

I loved being there.

Sahar is one of the smartest, most fascinating people that I've met recently, and you'll hear all about her in this episode.

But she was born to Pakistani immigrants in the San Francisco Bay Area, and then she attended business school at

Wharton and initially attempted a traditional corporate job in marketing, but then became a

freelance photographer, and now she views herself as an interdisciplinaryian, which we get into

in this episode. And we also talk about

leaving her corporate job, her transition to photography and learning a new skill, and how she moved

to New York City and became one of the best music photographers, I think, ever. And we talk a lot about family in this episode and how she

navigated her strict immigrant parents and moving across the country. We talk about mental health,

mental health stigma, specifically her depression and what helps her with that, including

therapy and wellness and healing arts, as she

calls them, including Cheong and just a lot of more things.

I could have talked to her for even longer than we did, and I hope to have her back and

get to talk to her about more things than we even got to in this episode.

But stick around to the end of the episode for our L&L segment.

And if you don't know what that is, even more reason to stick around.

Thank you so much for listening.

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