Warning, this is a true crime podcast and is not suitable for all audiences. Please use discretion.

Just a quick note to say that this episode is not the typical format of the real podcast.

On the 17th of May 2025, I did a 24-hour live podcast to raise money for an incredible charity, Victim Support UK. The stream was

recorded and each session that took place has been edited into an episode for you to listen to.

Because this was a live stream, the sound quality is not as polished as the regular episodes of the podcast usually are.

But I hope you'll find the conversations as insightful and interesting as I did.

If you'd like to donate to the fundraiser, please find a link in the show notes.

So without further ado, this is the session that I am joined by a

lovely lady that I met again at CrimeCon, UK last year, and quickly became fascinated and

intrigued by the work that she does. So this is Casey Baker. She has a master's in the psychology

of coercive control, which has then led her to research cults from across the world. She has a Masters in the Psychology of Coercive Control, which has then led her to research cults from across the world.

She has a podcast called The Cult Vault, where she gets first-hand experiences from cult survivors and shares those with us.

Casey, it's so lovely to have you here. Thank you so much. So how are you doing today?

I've been watching you all day and you are phenomenal. You're doing such a fantastic job. I'm super

super-uper impressed and 91% of your target reached. That is phenomenal. What I'm up to at the moment. Oh wow.

That is. I just checked before we

started and it's 91%. How amazing is that? Incredible stuff. That's very, that's really

lovely. Thank you very much. We are here to talk about the Ant Hill Kids. Now, that sounds like

a horrible, I don't know, band.

It might as with Adamant, actually.

But of course, there's something much more sinister here at play.

And I've never heard of them, Casey.

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