Hi, I'm Sarah Ellis and this is the Squiggly Careers podcast where every week we discuss a different topic to do with work and share some ideas, actions and advice that we hope will help you and us to navigate our squiggly careers with that little bit more confidence and control.

And for the next few weeks you've got a break from

Helen and I, as instead we have our fourth Ask the Expert series, which I'm so excited about.

We're covering a really great range of really relevant topics with just brilliant people

who really know their stuff. And we're going to be talking about time, influence, storytelling, success and

leadership. And we're starting the series talking about uncertainty with writer and all-round

creator Sam Conniff and scientist Catherine Templar Lewis. Sam and Catherine have been collaborating

on something called the uncertainty experts,

which started as an experiment designed to see if they could help people to increase resilience

and decrease anxiety through a three-part interactive documentary.

I took part in the pilot earlier this year and can tell you it's like no other learning experience

that I've ever had before

and it really works and not just for me it's actually been very rigorously reviewed by scientists

and they've been able to show that it does really have a positive impact in terms of being

able to find our way through uncertainty and if you want to get involved in their kind of first

launch series now that they've done their pilot,

you can sign up now. They're doing the next three-part series in November. We'll add the link to the show notes.

And if you use the code squiggly, you get a bit of an extra discount too. So it's worth having a look at that.

And at the end of the podcast, there's a bit of a chance to get some extra borrowed brilliance

because you're going to hear a very short clip just a minute or so from one of the

uncertainty experts who will share a glimpse into their personal story.

And these are people who've gone from being gang leaders to business leaders,

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