Hi, I'm Helen and I'm Sarah and you're listening to the Squiggly Careers podcast where each

week we talk about a different topic to do with work and share some practical ideas to help

you take action with your development and today's topic I think is a bit tougher than we

thought it was going to be when we started to research and plan for this podcast. So the topic, which sounds quite simple, is knowing when to lead and when to follow.

And it was inspired by the conversation Sarah and I had last week about collaboration,

when we both realised that one of the things that can sometimes get in the way of our ability

to collaborate effectively is when we're both trying to lead each other and it might sometimes go a bit wrong. We thought,

oh, maybe this is a problem that other people might face in their career and therefore talking

a bit about, oh, when to take a leading role and maybe when to be a brilliant follower could

be a great topic. But it turns out that there's not a lot

of research on it. So we've had to like look all over the place and try to come up with some really

clear ideas for action. And we think we think we've got to it. Had a few philosophical debates

along the way. Had to start and then stop and then come back to do it again because we needed a

break from it. So we did need a break and we kind of pull all of our notes together.

We call it a script but it's not a script to everyone.

It's just a bit of a kind of, it's where we keep all of our notes

so that we can refer to them for our conversations.

And it's probably one of the messier ones that we've ever done.

So let us know.

Hopefully this makes sense. Yeah, this is a really good episode

to give us feedback on, which you can always do that. But this one in particular, let me email us

after today, we're just Helen and Sarah at squiggly careers.com. And let us know whether this

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