Hey everyone, Vancouver Radio episode doesn't matter. Anyway, I'm a massive, I'm not a massive,

I'm a massive penis for not getting my words right. I'm very excited for today's guests.

Now the reason why I'm excited is because it's a little bit different.

Now the people I usually get on the show, I followed for a long time time I've kind of evolved with their work a little

bit I've kind of learned stuff off them you know and and they've kind of nourished me on my journey

and this guest is a little bit different because that's been different.

I haven't kind of been on an educational journey with them but I've observed their work for

a long time because they've been similar to me in the industry.

Now a good few years ago this individual I

didn't really resonate with his work. Didn't really like what he kind of did,

didn't really like what he was about and now that is totally flipped on his head. I've got a huge

amount of respect for his work. He's kind of very much he was never kind of

of like me and what we did but he very much thinks like me now and I like I think what

I see in this person is where I see fitness needing to go and is a very

refreshing voice in fitness right now. So I'm really

excited to speak to him because I just think what he's doing right now is

awesome. Jamie Oderton, hello.

Ben, how are you? Thank you ever so much for having you on your podcast.

Mate, dude, you are welcome.

You know, we've only very met briefly now and again at shows and it's always been a little bit

higher, I know who you are are yeah you know who I am yeah

nice one brilliant and then it wasn't until SFN this year we were able to have a

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