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Mormon Stories Podcast

226: Understanding Atheism after Mormonism Pt. 5

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

4.55.7K Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2011

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

In this multi-part interview, Dan Wotherspoon interviews Tyson Jacobsen and Randy Snyder about their transition from devout Mormonism to atheism.

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0:18.0

Welcome back from Arandi's Coffing Attack and hopefully you're feeling better Arandi and can continue with this discussion of freedom and whatnot.

0:28.0

Did you have anything left over to say about freedom?

0:31.0

I just wanted to quickly explain the comment of why I live a philosophy or why I have a philosophy that you can't live.

0:38.0

You kind of mentioned that in passing. That was just from our discussion.

0:42.0

Yeah, feel free to clarify it.

0:45.0

I'm happy to clarify that now if you want.

0:47.0

And it really will become far more pertinent the end when I kind of propose some different things.

0:53.0

If I were to, at this moment, just to let listeners know what's really been occurring to me and I think I knew this before we had this good discussion.

1:04.0

I'm with you guys for almost 90, probably 90% of everything you say.

1:09.0

I really think the critiques of religion that come from the conversations that you do are very important and whatnot.

1:16.0

And really where we're going to end up differing in the end is in an openness level to certain possibilities that you guys seem close to at this moment.

1:27.0

And so for something like this where I'm open to realms and I'm also aware of critiques, for instance, of a sensationist doctrine of perception,

1:38.0

that knowledge comes through the five senses only from my philosophy background and whatnot I know that makes problems and things.

1:48.0

But anyway, I guess I'm just trying to say in that last 10% that I'm open to that you guys seem close to, there are some very common sense things like a sense of freedom that I'm not having to kind of untuck myself out of thinking that I'm free.

2:07.0

And in that 10% where we disagree or at least that I'm open to an alternate model, I can actually feel that I'm genuinely free and I don't need to strain and kind of talk myself.

2:22.0

And I feel like there's something genuine in the universe that I'm accomplishing here by my actions, accounts, it matters in the eternal scheme of things.

2:32.0

And yet you may have those feelings and you may be living where that and then all of a sudden say no, actually it doesn't count in the eternal scheme of things that counts in the here and now.

2:42.0

And it isn't making a difference in another realm or in something beyond the reach of science or something.

2:51.0

So that's what I'm saying. Can you live your philosophy without having to constantly talk yourself into what am I experiencing different than what I think I'm experiencing?

3:03.0

I don't think that I walk around going, I'm determined to do this. Do I have a choice? Probably not, so I'm just going to do it.

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