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226 - EXCLUSIVE: Confessions of a Bourbon Counterfeiter

Bourbon Pursuit

Bourbon Pursuit

Hobbies, Food, Arts, Leisure

4.9866 Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2019

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

In this Bourbon Pursuit exclusive, listen to a story from an admitted bourbon counterfeiter. This episode dives into the motives, operation, and recourse of a bourbon counterfeiter. Listen to how an addiction contributed to a cycle of refilling empty bottles and reselling them on the secondary markets and the ultimate price he had to pay. We hope this interview will serve as a lesson for not only folks connected with these circles, but also for whiskey producers to implement new packaging to protect their consumers. DISCLOSURE: As a part of the agreement to come on the show, we are not revealing the identity of our guest as he wishes to remain anonymous. Any comments regarding the guest’s name will be deleted and anything shared is not factual and is considered libel. Show Notes: This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about online alcohol sales. How did you get into the bourbon market? When did you start thinking about counterfeiting? What made it easy to counterfeit? Why aren't you in jail? How were you caught? What happened when you got caught by the community? Why did you not turn yourself in? Did you feel remorse or just bad because you got caught? How many counterfeit bottles did you create? How long have you been selling counterfeits? Did you ever counterfeit a Van Winkle? What was the fall out after you were caught? What kind of threatening phone calls did you receive? What was it like facing your family? Are you still with your wife? How can someone spot a fake? What did you refill with? Now that some time has passed, how are things going? Did you ever talk to any other counterfeiters? Did you consider it fun? Did you need the money? Are you starting to move on? Have your parents been able to look past the situation? How much revenue did you make? How were your kids affected? What would you say to someone thinking about counterfeiting? What did your friends think? What if you didn't get caught? Would it be worth the money? Would you ever try to counterfeit again?

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There is no amount of money that is worth everything that you go through.

0:04.9

There isn't.

0:06.0

And I say that with extreme confidence.

0:08.2

It's not worth it.

0:18.6

All right, everybody, it is episode 226 of Bourbon Pursuit.

0:23.6

And we don't have a whole lot of bourbon news to kind of cover.

0:26.0

So we'll just kind of give you some updates on what's been happening with inside the ecosystem.

0:30.3

And last week was what was considered the great Buffalo Trace barrel frenzy.

0:35.5

We talked about in the show with Bo Beckman of Buffalo Trace about how there are

0:38.6

barrels that are allocated for the general public that can get access to them.

0:43.0

And now, as you could imagine, there are thousands and thousands of people going after just

0:47.4

a handful of barrels.

0:48.9

And you knew it was going to be an intense few moments as soon as it went online.

0:53.0

But there was a huge feeling the feat felt across

0:55.5

the entire bourbon landscape when people logged in and within the matter of one second,

1:02.7

every single barrel was gone. Yet persistence paid off and with the help of our Patreon community,

1:08.5

bourbon pursuit was able to capture two Buffalo trace barrels

1:11.7

and a 1792 full proof.

1:14.2

So we're looking forward to bringing those to our community in 2020.

1:18.8

Now, speaking of barrel selections,

1:20.3

we're out at Four Roses today selecting our final barrel from there for 2019.

1:25.4

That's going to be five barrels from Four Roses this year, and we're always

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