Hello, Winebbers. My name is Jesse Meekam, this is podcast number 222 for why now, where we teach you four rules to help you stop living paycheck to paycheck, get out of debt and save more money.

Specifically today, I am pleased to have Todd Curtis with me in the studio and we discuss what you do before you start tackling your debt.

We're fans of it, but it's critical that you do it in the right way

so that you actually make progress.

So Todd Curtis has been with us for a long time.

First he was a whinabber and then he jumped on to the whinab team.

He has a PhD in adult education and uh he's one sharp guy and he basically obsesses

about how to teach people the most effective way to manage their money that way is

Wyanab. So without further ado, here will cut to me and Todd.

I'm here with Todd Curtis. He's the chief customer officer for Wienamp. Hello Todd.

Hi, Jesse. So Todd first, just so everyone can get to know you a little bit, you're in a lot of the

videos on the site, all over our guides and everything, but kind of give everyone a rundown,

who you are, where you came from, how you found Wine Ab and what you do.

That's great.

I'll do that.

I'm the Chief Customer Officer, which is a pretty cool job.

Get to think a lot about every day the Wyneb method

and how to help people learn it and put it to use in their own lives.

You know, I found Wyneab probably the same way as most other people. I was

feeling the need for a budget and looking and looking and looking and finally got

tired of everything else I tried, found Wyneab.

Very cool.

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