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Gender: A Wider Lens

22 — An Unexpected Gender Evolution: A Conversation with Lauren

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.6961 Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2021

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

“Lauren” is a 32-year-old lesbian who has moved with ease across the gender spectrum over the course of her lifetime. Lauren offers a positive story about how being gender non-normative and having a complicated gender experience can be a pleasant and interesting experience. Cautioning against the heavy and urgent discussions about medicalizing gender expression, Lauren wonders if we can become more playful and even joyful about gender?

Links:

Lauren’s Blog: Theanxiousskeptic.wordpress.com/

Extended Notes

  • A little bit about Lauren and her experience with gender.
  • The way our society is handling trans children is completely different from when Lauren grew up.
  • Lauren feels a bit betrayed by the LGBTQ community.
  • What was Lauren’s childhood like?
  • How did Lauren’s family deal with her and her older sister’s masculine gender?
  • Can you be gay and Mormon?
  • Lauren was always the good child and her older sister was the problem masculine child. So it threw everyone for a loop when they found out Lauren was a lesbian, and not her sister.
  • When Lauren dressed in drag, she felt much more comfortable in her own body.
  • Men’s clothing was just easier to understand and when Lauren took on a more butch persona, it was a lot easier for her to date.
  • Lauren was a butch lesbian for about 10 years before switching back to a more “feminine” look.
  • In Lauren’s mind, being butch is almost like a third gender.
  • At one point, Lauren identified as trans.
  • The trans community has really affected the way lesbians see themselves. Lauren knows several people in same-sex relationships who have identified as trans at one point in time in her friend group.
  • When it came to having children, how did Lauren and her wife decide who should have a child?
  • A lot of Lauren’s friends who were butch were transitioning, either to a more feminine persona or trans. And she felt like she could not grieve this sense of loss. She just had to be happy for her friends.
  • When random people were shouting slurs at Lauren and her wife, it only really started to bother her as she got older and was going to become a parent.
  • What’s it like being a mother?
  • Eleven-year-olds are being asked if they want to preserve their fertility. It’s crazy.
  • Lauren has gone through many different gender identities and went on to have children. She gets fired up and passionate when young children are forced to “choose.”
  • We have to think about the long-term well-being of children and teenagers first. Not our politics.
  • Can we be more playful with our gender? Why do we have to always pick a side?


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0:00.0

You're listening to gender, a wider lens.

0:04.0

I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

0:06.5

And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

0:10.6

Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens

0:16.1

and families impacted by gender dysphoria. I also work with gender questioning

0:20.7

teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and

0:24.2

individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the

0:28.1

concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens.

0:35.0

Hi Stella, how's it going?

0:39.0

I'm good. How are you, Sasha?

0:41.0

I'm doing well. We have a guest here today and I'm really

0:45.1

excited to introduce Lauren. So Lauren maybe you could tell our audience a little bit

0:49.7

more about yourself and what we hope to discuss today.

0:53.0

Hi, I'm so glad to be here. I'm Warren. I am in my early 30s. I live in a major city in the U.S.

1:02.0

and I've had a very unique experience with gender.

1:07.0

I haven't heard a lot of people who've had a similar story as me and it's something that I think the

1:12.0

listeners of the show could maybe

1:14.5

benefit from hearing. It's really great to have you. Thank you so much and

1:18.9

Lauren is a pseudonym so this is not your real name but hopefully we can tell the listeners a little

1:24.7

bit about your story maybe we can talk about how we met you first reached out to

1:30.5

me it was a couple years back is that right? Yeah over two years ago I think. Yeah so what got you

1:36.9

interested I mean I remember you contacted me and we ended up having several really

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