I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody.

Welcome to The Soberful podcast, and I'm Veronica.

And I'm Chip.

And we are here to talk today.

Actually, can't believe, sometimes we do topics.

And I think, I can't believe we actually haven't talked about that in our coming up to five years of doing this. Five years. Have we been doing this five years? It will be in April. Yeah. I mean, yeah, well, goodness me. Goodness me. Yes. I remember when we started this, I remember we were having a conversation because it was your 70th birthday coming up. Yeah, that's right. Oh, and it's my 75th in about four and a half, three and a half weeks. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been five years. I can't believe that. Wow. I'm afraid so.

Time speeds up, but you get older. So we're going to do self-obsession today. We're going to

talk about the obsession of self. I, you're right. I'm surprised we haven't done this because I am the

king of self-obsession. I was riddled with so much self-obsession.

It was like a mental disorder.

It was that bad.

You know, I would be thinking, right, okay, I'm going to go out.

I'm going to go to a support meeting.

What clothes shall I wear that make me look?

Didn't have much choice, by the way,

but what clothes can I look?

I would be worried in case one trouser leg

was a little bit shorter than the other trouser leg

because I knew everybody in the street

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