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The Futur with Chris Do

213 - Creativity is not magic — with Joey Cofone

The Futur with Chris Do

The Futur

Arts, Education, Marketing, Design, Business, Self-improvement

4.9998 Ratings

🗓️ 2 November 2022

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Do you have to suffer to build character? We get philosophical in part two of our conversation with Baronfig founder and author Joey Cofone. He and Chris continue their discussion about The Laws of Creativity and delve into the role failure—and sometimes delusion—plays in the story of success. We like how Joey explains the concept of creativity: like a musical instrument, creativity is a practical trade that you can learn, develop, and improve over time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I recently did a workshop and afterwards the host sent me some responses from the feedback form and it was all positive.

0:07.0

They said, you know, well done, we're glad to have you.

0:09.0

And I responded to him and I said, hey man, that's really cool, but do you mind sending me some of the negative ones?

0:15.4

I'd love to learn what people may not have liked.

0:18.3

And it's the same reason.

0:19.4

Even if I disagree or maybe it's just not right for them.

0:22.5

I still want to know so that I can personally process that

0:25.9

because there is a lot to learn from negative nancies. The I'm going to take it. I'm going to take it. I'm going to take it back a little bit because you talked about I we talked

0:58.4

about this before but now I'm kind of looking at this moment in your life through the lens of the book is that your mom passes away

1:05.6

You're 13 years old and I don't wish this on anybody like we all should have two loving parents who give us unconditional love, who support us, who are our

1:16.2

number one fans and tell us everything as possible. But in a way losing your mom and your primary caretaker there is that you have no one else to depend on.

1:28.0

Yeah. And so this is me playing amateur psychoanalysis here. It's like, well, if you don't turn outward for validation,

1:36.1

then you turn inward, or you die, basically,

1:38.5

because you need some form of love.

1:41.0

And we get it externally, but you gave yourself internal like you learn to love yourself and to just look at the world is like you know I'm an independent person operating system I don't need external inputs to tell me if I'm moving in the

1:54.4

right direction is that is that kind of fair or no yeah that's really well said to

1:59.7

looking internally instead of externally for validation at a young age because I think you know for most of us it

2:06.8

It does eventually flip and we learn that or we have to become that for our own kids and then it's sort of forced upon us in a different way.

2:16.0

But for me, it was a forced experience to have to do that at a young age and I'm grateful.

2:25.0

You know, I get often asked if I could go back and change things, would I?

2:30.0

And aside from, of course, you know, not, you know, my mom not passing away and what not, for me as a person if we're talking about me, the things that challenged me forced me to grow.

2:43.0

And so yeah, you know, I became accidentally, you know, a

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