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#211 The ONLY Response to Islam You’ll Ever Need - Joe Heschmeyer

Shameless Popery

Catholic Answers

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9658 Ratings

🗓️ 30 September 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Joe breaks down the “Islamic Dilemma,” a catch 22 where the Quran says to obey the Gospel and the Torah, but also contradicts both of these books on several major theological and historical points. Transcript: Joe: Welcome back to Shameless Popery. I’m Joe Heschmeyer, and as you probably know, Muslims believe the Quran is divinely revealed scripture and non-Muslims don’t believe this. So how can we know and show which side is right? Well, there’s a simple argument called the Islamic dilemma that seems to settle the question once and for all. It doesn’t prove...

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Welcome back to Shams Popery. I'm Joe Heschmire. And as you probably know, Muslims believe the Quran is divinely revealed scripture, and non-Muslims don't believe this.

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So how can we know and show which side is right? Well, there's a simple argument called the Islamic dilemma that seems to settle a question once and for all.

0:15.6

It doesn't prove Christianity true, but it does prove Islam false. Now you can find a variation of this argument being

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made, everybody from West Huff to Sam Shammun to David Wood, countless others for a simple reason.

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The argument appears to be a pretty airtight refutation of Islam. Now, the Islamic dilemma is simple.

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The Quran says that the gospel is true, and the gospel disagrees with the Quran. So if the Quran is right, we should listen to the gospel and therefore reject the Quran. On the other hand, if the Quran is wrong, well, then obviously we should reject the Quran. So let's look at the Quranic verses that you should know and also look at some of the ways that Muslim apologists have tried to get out of this dilemma. But first, I want to thank those of you that have accepted and not rejected, supporting Shameless Popery over at Shamelessjo.com for as little as $5 a month. You can get access to the sources that we use in the episodes, to exclusive Q&A live streams, and to a community of Christians who also want to go deeper in their faith. And we don't take sponsors on this channel, so your direct support really is what keeps the quality high and what keeps the channel alive. Thank you for all that you do, and I hope to see you over at shamsjo.com. Now, the translation of the Quran I'm going to be quoting from is the clear Quran by Dr. Mustafa Katab, because I've seen Muslims recommended as the best English translation of the

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Quran. Now, you might have a different translation, you might find some slight textual variations,

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but you'll see the main argument. The second thing you know is that unlike the Bible,

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which is a collection of dozens of books revealed over centuries, the Quran is just one book.

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The single book containing 114 chapters called Surrah. And the one passage that you need to

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know to present the argument well is the one that Wes Huff recited on Pierce Morgan's show.

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Surah 5, 46 to 47. Verse 47 of chapter 5 of the Quran actually addresses me as a Christian. It says,

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let the people of the gospel judge by what God has revealed therein, being the gospel,

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and whoever does not judge by what God has revealed, then it is he who is the defiantly disobedient.

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But I think it's important to put that verse in context, understand what's going on.

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If you go back to verse 41, Allah accuses the Jews of distorting the scriptures and taking

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rulings out of context. And he gives Muhammad

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permission either to judge disputes between the Jews or else to turn them away. But then Allah asks,

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but why do they come to you for judgment? When they already have the Torah containing Allah's

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judgment, then they turn away after all. They're not true believers. So the important things to note

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there are twofold. Number one, the Torah was revealed by God. And number all, they're not true believers. So the important things to note there are twofold.

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Number one, the Torah was revealed by God. And number two, they still have the Torah in Muhammad's

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