Welcome back to Chamis Poperie. I'm Joe Heschmire, and I want to explore two maybe seemingly

unrelated conversions today, neither of which, interestingly, are to Catholicism, but I think

you'll see why I'm still excited about both of them, why I think they might be directionally correct,

and why I think they have some really important things to say about the future of a movement

within Protestantism to try to shore up its historical

bona fides.

So the first of them is a YouTuber, cleave to antiquity, Pastor Ben, who until very recently

was making a lot of pro-Protestant, but mostly just anti-Catholic and anti-Orthodox content.

Like it was less, here are some positive principles of Protestantism we all agree on, and much more just like, here's a scandal in the Catholic Church, here's a controversial thing the Orthodox do. And then a funny thing happened as he was doing this. If you're going to consider becoming Eishan Orthodox, then you have to get comfortable with the fact that you will have to then think that every Christian you've ever met who was not Eastern Orthodox is going

to hell. Several months later. Good morning and welcome to Cleve to antiquity. My name is Ben. And if you've

seen the thumbnail and you've seen the title, then you know that I've decided to become Orthodox.

Ben's conversion, announcing

that he's becoming Eastern Orthodox, was shocking to say the least. And as I'm going to get into

later, there's actually something we should all take away from that, which is don't assume that

because someone's very hostile to Catholicism or Orthodoxy or whatever you are, that that means

that they're not considering it. Sometimes people who are raging the most, it's because they're putting up an intellectual fight

because they're trying to work through their own objections.

They don't always want to show you that.

They don't want to necessarily be that vulnerable, but that sometimes what's happening.

And so I'm encouraged by the fact that in a six video stretch, five of his videos

a few weeks ago were just things about Catholicism. That much time and energy about like,

oh, what about Catholicism? Maybe I've disproved it this time. And then a week later,

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