Welcome back to Shemis Popery. I'm Joe Heschmire. In February 2024, Mark's one of the greatest

tragedies to befall mankind. I was wrong about something. And worse, Trent Horn was right.

Now, for context here, Trent Horn and I, and some other people, were doing a two-day

brainstorming retreat. And one of the topics that arose was the idea of Mary's sinlessness

and why we believe in that as Catholics.

And Trent made an argument for Mary's sinlessness that I'd never heard before. And one that I

initially dismissed as a stretch, which I've now come to see is profoundly true. Now, before I

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Okay.

Now back to the dark day in question.

I should be very clear again, Trent and I didn't

disagree that Mary was without sin. We agree on that. The question was why? Because if you'd

asked me before, like, why is Mary without sin? My usual answer would be to look at the way

scripture seems to present Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant through a mode of analysis

that we sometimes

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