This is Julie Slattery. I am at Mission Coffee in Colorado Springs having coffee with Jerisha Clark.

And Jerisha, thanks for being with us again.

I'm so glad to be here. We've been wanting to do this for a while, so this is great.

I know. We're having fun. Yeah. Yeah. So you wrote a book a long time ago about expectations

going into marriage and some of the expectations that you had that were unmet, and then you recognized that you

weren't the only one that had those expectations.

Now, you've been married how long to Jeremy?

19 years.

Is it hard to remember those expectations that long ago?

No, it's actually not.

And I think it's because they're so universal. They're so true to so

many of us, you know, thinking marriage is going to make me feel always loved or like, I'll

never be lonely after I get married or, you know, sex while I'll work out because I'm a Christian

and I waited. You know, these things are not things that are, you know, common only to people that are, you know, between like zero and five years of marriage.

These are things that people that didn't ever kind of look at them are still facing sometimes.

And I've been so blessed because in my marriage to Jeremy, we've looked at these things.

We've, we've thought about a lot of them.

We've had counseling about a lot of them.

And so, no, not hard to remember. I mean, the intensity of it has waned because we've done that

hard work. But I still have such a huge heart for it because I just know being in the grip of

the lies that we believe about marriage. It's so, you know, it just leaves us feeling so, um, afraid.

Because this is it.

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