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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

2024: A dangerous year ahead – with former National Security Adviser Peter Ricketts

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 January 2024

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

With wars raging in Ukraine and Gaza, tensions rising in Yemen and between China and Taiwan, populists eyeing elections across the world and the spectre of another Trump Presidency, 2024 could be the most dangerous year for global stability in two decades. How will the world’s various crises play out? And could there even be reasons for optimism? Gavin Esler looks at the year ahead with Lord Peter Ricketts, Britain’s first National Security Adviser, former chair of the Joint Intelligence Committee and author of Hard Choices – an exploration of Britain’s place in the world. • “All that’s certain in 2024 is uncertainty.” – Gavin Esler • “If there’s been a strategic loser in Ukraine so far, it’s Vladimir Putin… He’s been forced into a junior partnership with China.” – Peter Ricketts • “I’m not so worried about the far right in Europe. I’m much more worried about Trump in the White House.” – Peter Ricketts Buy Hard Choices through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund This Is Not A Drill by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too. Support This Is Not A Drill on Patreon to get early episodes, merchandise and more. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

A rescue operation is currently underway in various cities of Ukraine following the impact of Russian missiles and the falling debris.

0:10.5

It is crucial for the world to react to this latest act of terror.

0:15.0

All that's certain about 2024 is uncertainty.

0:19.0

Is some kind of peace possible in Ukraine or between Israel and Palestinians or could these conflicts

0:25.4

actually worsen in Europe, even divide NATO?

0:28.4

In the United States of Ukraine or demilitarizat. Today, let's be clear. Democracy is still at risk. This is not hyperbole.

0:50.0

We can't take democracy for granted.

0:53.0

Biden or Trump for the White House.

0:55.0

Is there no one else?

0:56.0

What would a second Trump presidency mean for America's role in the world

1:00.0

or perhaps retreat from it.

1:03.0

Abuse of the law is going to produce a backlash, the likes of which nobody has ever seen before.

1:10.0

In Europe, while Poland rejected the far right, many Dutch voters endorse

1:14.0

here at Vildes. Hungary's Victor Orbán has joined the EU-Wawkerd squad over Ukraine

1:19.6

and other matters. In Brussels, bureaucrats are living in a bubble. And beyond these

1:26.1

known unknowns as former US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld used to call

1:30.2

them, what are the surprises, wild cards, or even the possibility of whisper this, good

1:35.9

news.

1:36.9

We should all remember, democracies don't have to die at the end of a rifle.

1:41.9

They can die when people are silent and they fail to stand up or

1:46.4

condemn threats to the markers. This is not a drill. Hello and welcome to This Is Not a Drill. I'm Gavin Eser.

2:17.0

At a time when traditionally we wish each other happy new year after After the conflicts and crises of

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