The Final Countdown: Can anything stop Trump? – with Brian Klaas of UCL

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

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🗓️ 10 January 2024

⏱️ 31 minutes

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In twelve months’ time America will inaugurate a new President. It could be a man who says he’ll act as a “dictator on day one,” who rejects elections if he doesn’t win them, and whose America First ideas could shatter what remains of the global order. With a year to go, UCL Associate Professor in Global Politics Brian Klaas tells Gavin Esler how Donald Trump has damaged American politics more deeply than anyone realises – how driving Trump off mainstream social media to Truth Social only hid his increasingly fascistic outbursts from public view – and what it will take to stop him. • “Trump 2.0 would be way more dangerous than Trump 1.0.” • “It is highly likely that if Trump loses there will be significant political violence – probably worse than Jan 6.” • “Once you don’t have a shared sense of reality, democracy falls apart.” • “Come November, nobody will be able to say they didn’t know what was going on. He’s been completely open about it.” Buy Brian Klaas’s book Fluke: Chance, Chaos, and Why Everything We Do Matters through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund This Is Not A Drill by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too. Support This Is Not A Drill on Patreon to get early episodes, merchandise and more. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:26.5	in one of his posts, dictator for a day, you name it. It's just a question of whether voters
1:31.4	turn over power to someone who's quite clearly a very dangerous
1:34.3	individual. I mean this stuff is straight out of history. Political violence is becoming, I think,
1:41.0	a feature of American politics and I think that it is highly likely that if Trump
1:46.7	loses there will be significant political violence probably in my view probably worse than January
1:50.6	6th. All this stuff is the breakdown of reality and once you don't have a
1:56.2	shared sense of reality, democracy falls apart.
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