Welcome to the Counseling Tutor Podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of

counseling and psychotherapy. Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

Hi, I'm Rory and with me as always is Ken. How you doing, Ken?

I'm exceptionally grateful to be here and I'm

truly grateful that you have tuned in to the counselling tutor podcast. This is episode 201,

201 and today in counseling foundations, we're going to start off by looking at developing a non-judgmental attitude. We then drift our way into focus on self,

where we're going to be looking at how we set our boundaries as a therapist. And then finally,

we're going to end episode 201 with practice matters where we have Daniel Daniel Winstanly spoke with Rory about talking

respectfully about sexuality and gender identity. So that's our episode today and we start off

visiting those counseling foundations where we recognize that the foundations, the very basics of

counseling, that's what we build our practice on. And one of the foundations, the very basics of counselling, that's what we build our

practice on. And one of those foundations, no matter what modality you're practicing, is some form

of non-judgmental way of being, a non-judgmental attitude. But it's tricky, Rory.

It is. I'd like to start off this section with a short story from my teaching days.

I remember teaching a level two class many years ago.

Lovely group.

And if you are one of that group, you know, lovely group, lovely group level two group.

I remember talking about unconditional positive regard, which of course was one of Roger's

necessary and sufficient conditions that he outlined in the 1957 Journal of Consulting Psychology,

that groundbreaking journal he published about clinicians being more human, more connected,

that set the tone for work we up till the work we do today.

And I said, you know, I said sometimes it could be quite difficult for people to,

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