Don't fake it till you make it. Be true to yourself. I say I'm really good at what I know,

but I'm better at what I don't know. And I have no problem asking smarter people around me

questions to help guide me. Welcome to How Leaders Lead, where every week you get to listen in

while I interview some of the very best leaders in the world.

I break down the key learning so that by the end of the episode, you'll have something simple you can apply as you develop into a better leader.

That's what this podcast is all about. So let me ask you, do you ever hesitate to speak up at work? Or maybe it's the opposite.

You speak your mind a little too freely and it gets you in trouble? Well, either way, you're going

to learn a lot from my guest today. Constance Swartz-Marini is the founder and CEO of Smack

Entertainment, a talent management firm, business incubator, and

Emmy-nominated production company. She co-founded with Michael Strayhan in 2011. And let me tell you,

she has some great stories about Coach Prime, Michael Strayhan, Aaron Andrews, and Snoop Dog himself.

But you're also going to discover why leaders need to have the courage to speak their minds

and why doing it with authenticity and kindness is key if you want to make big things happen.

So here's my conversation with my good friend and soon to be yours, Constance

Swartz-Marini.

Constance, thanks so much for being on the show.

David, thank you for having me. I'm such a huge fan of yours just from when you were at Young Brands. I think

you might know we've done a bunch of work with you. And now you say you're retired, but it

sounds like you're busier than you were when you were running Yum. So thank you so much for having me.

I think I'm having just as much fun, which is saying a lot because I loved Young Brands. And,

you know, speaking of fun,

you run a sports media company that's, you know, at least on the surface, seems like a really

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