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2/2: #M.D: OVERDIAGNOSIS. OVERMEDICALIZATION. RONALD DWORKIN, CIVITAS INSTITUTE

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🗓️ 7 May 2025

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2/2: #M.D: OVERDIAGNOSIS. OVERMEDICALIZATION.  RONALD DWORKIN, CIVITAS INSTITUTE
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I'm John Batser visiting with Dr. Ronald Dworkin, writing for Civitas Outlook at Civitas Institute,

0:10.6

the University of Texas, a review of the age of diagnosis, how our obsession with medical labels is making us sicker.

0:16.6

Psychosomatic. Dr. I was taught many decades ago in the 20th century, the psychosomatic is not real, but

0:23.0

it is real.

0:24.0

Why?

0:25.0

Because people could have actual physical symptoms when their minds are poisoned in a certain

0:31.3

way.

0:32.3

If they're depressed or they're fearful or if they think they may have a disease or they're

0:36.2

convinced they have disease,

0:44.6

they will begin to express symptoms, actual physical symptoms. Now, it's curious, the state of psychosomatic disease right now is somewhat similar to the state of depression, say, in the

0:49.2

1960s. Depression in the 1960s was sort of dismissed. It's all in your head. It's not a serious disease.

0:56.0

And eventually doctors realized, well, no, this is a serious problem. We have to take it seriously.

1:02.0

And we have to treat it. Now, sometimes the pendulum swings too far in one direction and may have been depression.

1:06.0

We may be overtreating depression or at least every day in happiness.

1:09.0

The same situation for psychosomatic illness, it's not really understood or even respected in

1:13.9

medical circles.

1:14.9

And in most lay people think it's sort of a silly thing, they'll say pejoratively, oh,

1:18.4

that's psychosomatic, it doesn't mean anything.

1:20.2

But people can have real symptoms and dangerous symptoms, chest pain, palpitations and so on.

1:27.1

These are serious symptoms and they're mentally induced because of some state of bind that the patient has.

1:32.4

So in a way, psychosophomatic symptoms, they need to be recognized.

1:35.9

We don't want the pendulum swinging too far in the direction that depression did,

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