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and remember to hit Follow, so you never miss an episode. I'm John Bachelor and David Livingston is here. This is Hotel Mars and we're enjoying a great conversation and

it's a pleasure with David Southwood who has history of big projects that take too long

and that cost too much money and yet James Webb's space telescope is mind-bending.

What it's doing right now is breaking down the standard model of origins of everything keeps coming up with

examples that don't fit in and the astronomers love it because they head scratch

and go back to the drawing board. We can only guess

that those samples on Mars waiting for the return will do the same thing about

the planets and the way we interact.

Now David Southwood, the solution, if I understand it correctly, you provided Ariana 5 for the

James Webb Space Telescope.

The launch was excellent.

It's now in place and sending back data.

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