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Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast.

My name is Ginny Horge and the founder of 1000 Hours Outside.

And a completely honored to have Gabrielle Wynn with us today.

You are doing incredible work with educating people who didn't grow up, immersed in screens,

and also educating anyone of any age, giving tools on how to not be so immersed

in their technology. So welcome to you. Thank you so much, Jenny, for having me on.

So can you give us a little bit of your story? Grew up in Silicon Valley and you got your,

but not much television. So you're kind of like, all right, not a lot of screens. But then you get your first I touch at age nine. And then your first iPhone at age 13. Can you talk about the pressures there? Because it was so interesting. You talked about how, like I read this thing that you wrote that was like, okay, I'm so excited to get this iPhone. You know, there's so much pressure. You're like, I could never have imagined that, you know, within a decade or so, you're going to be like, I detest this. Yeah, I think that's one of the things that's been really interesting with talking to more people my age who grew up similarly is, is realizing like you never, when you were 11 or 12 and got your first smartphone,

you never would have guessed that in a few years or however long it took you,

you would hate your relationship with your phone and detested in all these different ways.

But I think that's kind of showing us the situation right now.

Like, why is it that the, you know, the young generation that's supposed to be so sort of like pro social media, pro technology? Why are we the ones in many spaces leading this, this resistance against technology? What does that say about the actual technology we've normalized?

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