We have had so many guests on this show, talk about how powerful the outdoors can be for kids, especially kids with ADHD or different ways of learning and processing the world. And if you are raising a child with ADHD dyslexia, a language disorder, or really any kind of learning difference, I want to share a podcast that I think you'll really appreciate. It's called Everyone Gets a Juice Box. It's parents just being honest with each other in a really safe, welcoming space about the highs and lows of raising neurodivergent kids. And what I love about it is is how real it is. There was one story about a mom who had this big career, running a major podcast division, and she realized she hadn't been home to see her daughter before bed for weeks. And at the same time, she was starting to notice these little moments, like her daughter freezing up during a simple preschool performance and just having that gut feeling like

something's different here and then all the doubt that comes with that like other people saying she

seems fine well you're sitting here thinking but i'm her parent and i know her this mom eventually

stepped back in and reconnected and created little games together just to help her daughter communicate

better it's such a good reminder that connection doesn't have to be complicated. It just has to be intentional. So if that interests you, go check it out. To listen, search for Everyone Gets a Juice Box. In your podcast app, that's Everyone Gets a Juice Box. Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast. My name is Ginny Urge. I'm the founder of 100

Hours Outside. One of my favorite guests back today. Crystal Payne, welcome.

Jenny, I am so excited to be here today. I have been looking forward to this interview for weeks

ever since I got on my calendar. So thank you for having this conversation with me.

I love what you're doing. I love all of your books. You have so many pieces of practical advice for today's families, often specifically for mothers. And I just want to say, you know, looking at you through the screen, I have been in the room where you're sitting. You have a podcast room in your basement in your home. And it was the first ever podcast I'd ever done in person I usually just

you know all my stuff is like on a screen we're in the middle of some small town in

an or like near Ann Arbor Michigan like nobody comes here so I just got so emotional

when we were talking and I just thought oh it's really a different it is a different conversation when you're sitting across the table from someone. You know, it's interesting years ago when I started my podcast, it was actually the Nestor, if you know, Michael and Smith. She was going to be in town. And she was like, could I come and do my podcast in person? And I was like, well, I've never done that before. But I think it was like episode 18 or something. I was brand new pod in person and I was like well I've never done that before but I think it was like episode 18 or something I was brand new podcaster and I was so nervous so nervous about

doing this in person and yeah I loved it because there is something about being across one another

in the same room that same energy like you bring so much energy to a room.

And I think people who haven't met you in person, they can probably feel it like through a screen

or feel it through their headphones. But to meet you in person, like it's really hard to package

you up and have people just hear you through a screen or through their headphones.

So it's really fun when I then get to re, you know, do another interview with someone that I've met in person because I feel like there's synergy that we have because of that.

Yeah, it's just a different level of connection.

It's a different level of vulnerability.

I think when you're sitting across the table from someone and having an in-depth

conversation. I actually, I've not done hardly any in person, maybe three or four, but one of the

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