The first thing that I would start with, your question, couples losing kind of

their closeness and their sense of personal happiness, feeling like they're

living for somebody else and they kind of lost themselves or they've lost the

us. The first thing that I would just say is, some of that is very normal and

it's okay. It's part of that season.

I'm Amy and I'm Abby and as women we are constantly comparing ourselves to

others but your life isn't supposed to look like hers. Being your best self

means standing firm in your decisions and always being willing to grow with

a purpose. We get vulnerable and real with an honest look into the challenges and

triumphs we all face. Every woman listening is the opportunity to choose what

life looks like for herself.

Today we're so excited to introduce you guys to Dr. John Van Epp. He is the

father of Dr. Morgan Cutlet. He's also a PhD in counseling and psychology and is

the developer of evidence-based relationships. Now we really like this

conversation because he has 44 years of marriage experience himself.

He's raised two daughters that are in healthy marriages and he also has all

of this clinical background in research to add to the conversation. So we loved

talking to him because it felt like he was giving us this wise advice that we

all need. He's in a much different place than we are. His little kid years are

so far behind him but he was able to bring such a great perspective that we

can all use. So without further ado, here's our conversation with Dr. John Van Epp.

Okay Dr. Van Epp, you have been married to your wife for over 44 years.

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