#193 – Ben Fowle – Two Decades of Travelling the World for the Foreign Service & CIA

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Lawrence Dunning

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🗓️ 26 June 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Ben Fowle left finance as a young man and together with his young wife, they spent two decades travelling the world for the Foreign Service & CIA. Along the way they raised their two daughters, and after many adventures returned to the US, where he switched to the private sector and found a love for jiu-jitsu.

0.00: Ben’s Background in Finance and Trading

5.00: Leaving Finance to Join the State Department and CIA

8.00: Maximizing economic opportunities in the US

14.00: Life in Lagos, Nigeria

22.00: Government, incentives, relationships and what makes the US Special

29.00: Tanzania and Kilimanjaro

34.30: Life in Djibouti

40.00: Dreams in Italy and Philippines

48.00: Raising two athletes

Until next time, love and good vibes.

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0:00.0	There's like people in the government that are regular people too, and they have their own set of incentives.
0:04.1	And just like Charlie Munger said, show me the incentives.
0:06.2	They'll show you the outcome.
0:07.2	And so the best usually incentive is like, what can I do that's good for myself?
0:12.9	And that doesn't mean that you then are taking from other people because having respect and being kind to other people is good for you too.
0:18.9	It's like good for your soul.
0:19.8	But it's also good for the relationships.
0:21.1	And most of us get ahead in life and accomplish things
0:24.2	because we do something with not solo,
0:26.9	at least one other person.
0:28.5	So focusing on the positives and what's capable
0:31.3	and like just going back to like what I said before
0:33.1	in terms of what makes America special,
0:35.0	like that's how I was able to get out of government
0:37.0	and into some pretty cool companies
0:38.6	was because people helped me out.
0:52.8	A single theme is too narrow for great minds and daring hearts.
0:54.6	Get ready to enter the Lionheart with your host, Warren Stunning.
1:02.3	My brother, Ben, we met, Jesus, it must have been, what, 24 years ago or something in Chicago?
1:08.6	Yeah, 2002.
1:10.4	Two, yes, so 23.
1:11.5	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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