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episode notes. Thank you so much for listening. Carol Ocean is a mother, model, actress, speaker, victim advocate, and co-victum of manslaughter.

She has used her experiences to educate others about grief and the dangers of drunk driving.

I had the pleasure of meeting her at my local Starbucks, and within a few chats,

we had shared our family history and related traumas with each other,

forging a deep bond.

I just want to say, Carol, the moment I met you, I was blown away by you,

just because you're this ball of energy

and beauty, you're effervescent. I really commend you in telling your story, in telling Jordan's story,

and telling just the truth and honesty. The truth has got to be told. I think everybody should

know what happened, what can't happen, and what's been happening, and how literally the term

getting away with murder is true.

Can you tell our listeners about Jordan and your relationship with Jordan?

When Jordan was born, his tongue was attached to his mouth. My friend's husband was a pediatrician.

I took him and he said, don't worry about it. It'll

disconnect itself. He didn't talk. Around two years old, he collected books all the time and

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