Welcome to Job with Julie. I am meeting with Liz Curtis Higgs via Zoom technology, and you're in Louisville, Kentucky. I'm in Colorado Springs. So we've prayed that our pets would leave us alone so we could have a good time talking today. But thanks so much for joining me, Liz.

Oh, it's a treat. Thanks for that.

And earlier for you, so thanks for jumping up this one. Oh, hey, I'm an early bird, so this works great.

Yeah.

Liz, most of our listeners would know you from a book that you wrote several years ago called Bad Girls of the Bible.

And that book, you just said said has sold over a million copies.

Yep. Just that book and the series is probably nearing a million and a half. It's just kind of,

you know, who knew? And I've written, I've just had my 37th book published. And you just

never know which ones God is going to say this one. It isn't because I was a better writer

when I wrote that book. It isn't, it is nothing to do with me, actually. It's just God's kindness

and his desire for women to be set free from all the things that we feel about ourselves regarding our badness. And I always do

gently say, we're all bad girls at some level. We certainly see ourselves that way. And all have

sin, the Bible says. So we tend to think of, this is really bad. This is not so bad. Oh, that's

fine. But actually, God doesn't see it that way. We all need a savior. And when we are saved,

the forgiveness extends all across our lives. Everything we have ever done, are doing, or will do.

His compassion, his mercy, his loving kindness covers all of it.

So whether you were a mostly good girl or you were a really bad girl like me,

his grace can handle it.

He says, my grace is sufficient. And so I think perhaps

for all those reasons, God kindly put bad girls of the Bible in the hands of many readers.

And I'm so grateful for that. It's sort of an unusual title to be known for. I'm sure. It's like,

you're the bad girl author,

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