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1865: THE TRIAL., PATRICK K. O'DONNELL, AUTHOR, "THE UNVANQUISHED."

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 18 April 2025

⏱️ 7 minutes

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1865: THE TRIAL.,  PATRICK K. O'DONNELL, AUTHOR, "THE UNVANQUISHED."
1865 

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0:00.0

I'm John Batchel with my colleague Patrick O'Donnell.

0:06.2

He is a best-selling author and most recently the author of The Unvanquished.

0:09.9

And one of the stories Patrick tells is the tragedy of Lincoln's murder, April 14th, 1865.

0:18.0

The pursuit of Booth through Maryland and his death April 26th. But the trial of the

0:26.2

conspirators, some of whom we've named, begins on May 12th, the next month within weeks. And it's a

0:33.5

military trial, prosecuted by General Holt, the adjutant general of the Union Army,

0:41.6

pressed into service and everyone there by the ferocious and extremely smart and mightily angry

0:49.5

Stanton, the Secretary of War.

0:52.3

Andrew Johnson is now the president of the United States,

0:54.8

and Johnson later will be castigated as sympathetic to the Confederacy.

0:59.2

At this point, he is with the Avengers.

1:02.6

They want to make certain that the people who murdered their president swing for it,

1:08.1

and some of them will be hanged, some will not be.

1:13.6

Importantly, however, there is an opinion, not mine. I read these things that Holt and Stanton overreach and use perjury. But is the

1:21.7

perjury something that's concocted by the Secret Service? There is that suggestion in your work, Patrick.

1:27.3

It's potentially, I think,

1:29.8

the last operation of the Confederate Secret Service. Another individual that we haven't introduced

1:35.0

yet is a guy by the name George Sanders. He's this ultimate political operative that believes

1:40.5

in the theory of the dagger. He was, it's multiple witnesses placed him and booth together in Montreal.

1:46.3

And he is in many ways the man that pulls many of the strengths.

1:50.3

And the, the suggestion, the evidence points to potentially Sanders,

1:55.2

helping basically coach the prosecution star witnesses who some surmised could be double agents

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