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Yo, what up everybody? Dr. Leaf. How are we doing? Dr. David, what's up, guys? How y'all doing? Welcome to docs outside the box. Good to be here. Once again. This is topic outside the box. We're going to be talking about all the different hot takes that each and every one of y'all take on personal finance, paying off debt. You know, we're getting

a little tired of like the boring talks. Okay, you got to do X, you got to do Y. And I think one of the

biggest things about personal finance is the first word, is that it's extremely personal, right?

Like we all want to reach that goal and understand that money is a tool. But based off of our upbringing,

that's really going to determine the behaviors that we do. That's also going to, in some many

regards, depending on our socioeconomic standpoint, is going to determine, you know, where we end up

in. As you mentioned before, David, if we're 500 feet behind, you know, someone else who had a

head start, it really determines where we're going to end up. So I brought you feet behind, you know, someone else who had a head start, it really determines

where we're going to end up. So I brought you all on here because, you know, leave with your

physician on fire, you've helped thousands of people really understand the concept of what life

is really all about and using your money wisely and getting basically not waiting all the way

into your 60s and 70s until you retire, right?

Right. David, you have a very different perspective, almost 180 life perspective in terms of

the finances and the environment which you grew up. And as a result, you know, you look at life

and personal finance differently. And I want to flush all of that out today in a fun conversation.

So thank you all both for your time. Real quick, before we jump into it, David, why don't you

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