It's very demoralizing if you spend a lot of time building something and then put it out and no one wants it.

You think it's demoralizing if you tell people a lot an idea or show the landing page and no one clicks.

It's way more demoralizing months later once you've already spent a hundred times more effort. more your time and energy matter and are important and you want to invest it towards something that people are going to value and that you're going to do. I'm so excited to talk to you today West because there is so much I want to learn and

unpack from what it is that you've been able to do. For people who don't know who

you are can you please introduce yourself and tell us a little bit of your

background story. Sure I'm Wes Kio I'm the co-founder of a new startup called

Maven we make it really easy for creators to build, launch, and host their court-based courses.

So court-based courses are a new learning format that are community-driven,

interactive, you know, the online courses of the past decade were all

about a series of videos that you basically watched by yourself on Teachable, you to me,

LinkedIn learning, but there's no interaction.

And basically court-based courses are the opposite of that

because they're entirely community driven.

So there's a start and end date.

The course might be three days, a week, three weeks,

but you're learning with a group of people.

So maybe it makes it really easy for anyone to create a course like this.

Mm.

Now, just for clarity, you're saying cohort-based?

Co-HORP-based courses. courses.

Yes, C. C. Mm-hmm.

That is the term I've heard in kind of the last couple of years.

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