Today's guest is going to talk about her experiences, publishing books on Amazon, but also

she's going to introduce a brand new training program that can actually help you to become

a certified Helium 10 expert.

How cool is that?

Pretty cool, I think. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of this serious sellers podcast by Helium 10.

I am your host, Bradley Sutton, and this is the show.

That's a completely BS-free, unscripted and unrehearsed, organic conversation about

serious strategies or serious sellers of any level in the e-commerce world. And today, guys,

on the show, I've got somebody who's not a seller, but she is pretty serious, at least some of

the time. Desiree, how's it going? Good. It's going great.

All right. I actually sell books. I sell books, you know. You sell books. That's right. So do you do it seriously, though? I do it seriously, but it's not through Cellar Central, so. That's right. I forgot about that. So that was even before you started working at Helium 10, you would do that, right? Yep. Was this like textbooks or just fiction or anything?

Fiction.

Fiction.

I write under a pseudonym and publish fiction as well.

Oh, you write your own books too?

Yeah.

I didn't even know that all this time.

A pseudonym, like you're protecting your identity or what?

Well, it started because I was, you know, I had to keep my work professional career separate

from my sort of writing career. So that's why I did it. See, like, that's why I love about

that. I've been working for with you for a year. I didn't even know that. Because anybody who I'm

like, you know what, they're going to be on the podcast eventually. I kind of like purposely make a note not to try to try and learn not that much about them because like I say, this is just an organic conversation. And I don't want to know these things beforehand. You know, usually with that guess, but it's kind of embarrassing when somebody in your own team, you know, some like, you know, some important personal things you don't even realize. But all right, we're going to get into that a little bit, but let's take it back to the beginning, all right? Where'd you grow up? North Dakota. North Dakota. Oh, my goodness, in the middle of nowhere. How far away were you from like civilization? Well, we were, I grew up just outside a town

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