The wrestling is understandable.

It's so understandable.

And that does not mean that you're just not set up for forgiveness.

That doesn't mean that you're not the kind of person who can walk this out or live out

this truth from God.

It just means you're human and it's okay, but wrestle well with this.

Hey friends, welcome to Joyce Myers Talk It Out podcast. We are so glad that you are here,

as always, but I think you're going to be really glad too, because we have a special guest

today that you are going to already know and love, and we're so glad that she's here.

But what we're talking about is one of the most

powerful things that we can do. It brings healing, it brings freedom, and it can also be one of

the most difficult things that we can do. We're talking about forgiveness today. Now, don't go

away. Don't click off. This is going to be something that will encourage you and help you. And I told about our special

guest today, along with all of us who love to be with you all the time. We are so honored to have

Lisa Turkhurst with us today. Lisa, welcome. Thank you so much. It's a joy to be with you.

We've wanted you to be sitting on this pink couch with us for a while,

so we're really glad. Thanks, and I like the pink couch and super happy to be here with all of you.

You look great on it. Thank you. You match the color is very nice. I know. It's like we coordinated.

You do it, you know? Yes. Well, Lisa, of course, you know from Proverbs 31 Ministries. She's the mom of five grown kids,

and she has had a grandbaby boom. So tell us about all of the grandbabies that have been born

recently in your family. Yes. So I got married in January of 2024, and I had five kids and three grandkids.

Then in 2025, five grandkids were born.

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