I dreamt that you were twisting through seven sons of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that his story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello there.

Welcome back to the Soberful podcast.

So when I have been promoting my book, I've been on like a lot of podcasts as a guest.

And I've really enjoyed it.

I've had a great experience meeting lots of really interesting people.

But I want to say, hands down, I think my favorite one was with Charles LeVore, who hosts

The Way Out podcast.

We just really, really clicked.

Like, we are just so on the same page with our sobriety, how we view recovery and the

work of recovery. I just really, really liked him. So after having like a walker's time being

interviewed on his podcast, I said, Charlie, you've got to come on the Sopperful podcast. I want

people to hear your story because he's got just one of those incredible stories. So today,

I'm going to be speaking

with Charles Livor from The Way Out podcast. Before we get started, so many of you have already

signed up for the Soberful retreat. Just so pleased to see so many of you there. The Soberful

retreat with Chip and I is taking place at the end of April, April 28th, 29th. It's two full days

online so you can join anywhere in the world. And we are going to be doing a deep dive together

into the work of recovery. So we'll be able to do some coaching, some teaching. We'll take your

questions. We'll hang out. We'll do all of those things. And we did this last year and it went down really, really well. People really enjoyed it and have been bugging us

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