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we appreciate you being here and we hope you enjoy the show. Hello, welcome. We don't intro the show at the start, so I feel weird every time we do it, but when we have a guest, it seems to impolite not to. Hi, welcome, everybody. This is Playboy's Listen. Today we are joined by Matt. Matt, who are you, and what are you doing here?

Hi, I'm

Matt Nava. I'm the creative director

at Giants. joined by Matt. Matt, who are you and what are you doing here?

Hi, I'm Matt Nava. I'm the creative director at Giant Squid. We just did a game called Sword of the Sea.

And yeah, what am I doing here? I don't know. I don't know.

Guess we'll find out. And this is what, Austin, your fourth time working together, two of you?

Third under the banner of Giant Squid and fourth when you include Journey.

Right.

Which I definitely always include since it really felt like the start, you know, it felt like a pretty lateral move to shift in from journey into Abzu so sometimes yeah I'm like oh right

those were different those are different studios those are completely

different teams it always makes me laugh when I see the articles

that are like, from a lot of the folks that worked on Journey came Abzu and such. I see a kind

of glossing over in a lot of articles.

It's hard, man. It's hard. Nobody understands this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is almost everybody, right? At the very

least, you have the same DNA. I feel like the games are of a similar genre, and the genre is very

unique to these particular games. Like, I think it's funny when sort of the sea came up.

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