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Hello and welcome to the rest of the parties leading with me, Alistair Campbell. And with me, Rory Stewart. We are very lucky today in Davos, in a slightly noisy room for which apologies to be interviewing Bill Browder.

And Bill has the most extraordinary story. He was probably the most successful

international business person in Russia back in the early 2000s and then found himself stuck

in a horrifying conflict with the Russian state, which ended with his lawyer and friend being

murdered by the Russian state.

He then led a single-handed campaign of sanctions, something called Magnitsky Act, through

the U.S. Congress and eventually through the British Parliament.

He's one of the best, most clear-sighted observers of Russian money, Russian power, of Putin, and more latterly,

of the way that Putin works with Trump. So we're very happy to have you here today. Thank you for

joining us. Thank you. Tell us, we were born, your background, how you got into the situation

that we're then going to talk about, which you've talked about an awful lot,

and your experience with Vladimir Putin.

So I was born in Princeton, New Jersey, in a very unusual American family.

My grandfather was the general secretary of the American Communist Party from 1932 to 1945,

ran for president twice as a communist against Roosevelt.

What vote did he get, by the way? He got like a couple hundred thousand votes, but he was a spoiler. He was one of these people that sort of brought everything to the left. This was during

the Great Depression. He was on the cover of Time magazine. And he was maybe one of the first

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