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Welcome to the rest of Pollage leading with me, Alastair Campbell.

And with me, Rory Stewart.

And we're now on the second part with Lord Kinnock.

So in the first part, we've had this extraordinary journey of this precocious young only child

from a working class background in Wales who becomes a very young MP in his late 20s

is on the left of the Labour Party who's rebelling against the government 79 times, who actually

at that period was in favour of leaving the European Union and then comes in, in the early

1980s, takes over in 1983 after a catastrophic Labour defeat as a leader of the Labour Party and has the job of trying to rebuild the Labor Party as a winning political machine.

And he has an extraordinary problem. We learned in the last episode about the fights with militant tendency and people trying to drag Labor to the far left.

You Neil were in this incredibly polarized environment represented by, you know, Margaret

Thatcher and the right of the Tory party in the one hand, Tony Benn on the left to the

Labour Party and the other, and you were trying to navigate towards what you saw as reasonable

middle grounds on councilhouse sales, on Arthur Scargle and the miners strike, you go into the election

...