I don't think there is anything wrong with kind of pushing yourself where you need to, but as I get older, I kind of realize putting in more hours doesn't necessarily mean you are more productive or that the work is good and I think it takes a lot of

experience to kind of really understand that balance. The It's not that often I'm able to talk to an artist who I actually know in real life and such as the case with my guest today.

For people who don't know who you are, can you introduce yourself, please?

Hi, my name is Tuna. I am a visual artist from Turkey, and I'm based in Los Angeles, and I had the privilege of working with Chris before.

Yes, we've actually, we've been in the same physical space doing work together and actually I believe you worked on that

crate and barrel spot with us right so your hand I think your hand is in it my hand

is in it wait yeah like you were painting with a brush.

Oh, yeah, but I don't.

Wasn't that for the, um, the sting, um, trailer? The one for the musical you you may have me here with the

it just goes to point out one thing we've worked with each other for many years on different projects so maybe the projects are blurring together.

Yes, we did do something with you for Sting. I thought it was you for also Creighton Barrel

with all those kind of paintings as well. I thought it was you for also Creighton Barrel

with all those kind of paintings as well,

but maybe I'm mistaken here.

Maybe.

We've done a few sort of specialty things together.

And maybe it is my hand.

Now I gotta see it.

Now I gotta see the hand.

I just remember you, but maybe somebody else.

Maybe I haven't missed, I'm blurring all the artists that we work together but okay so visual artists.

You know what the most must sorry to interrupt you but one of the most memorable things is not just

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