Welcome to a Meathead Hippie podcast. I'm your host, Emily Shram, and I'm so grateful you are here.

This interview with Matt Kahn was just one of my favorites. I felt so nourished and loved, and it was so multi-dimensional.

We went through a lot of different things. We went through my original finding of

him, which is everything is here to help you and the concept of not trying to convince yourself

that everything is here to help you, but listening to the story of why things aren't here to help

you and not trying to spiritually bypass some of these deep feelings.

Sometimes we are in the spiritual world of just be positive and the law of attraction.

And it'll come to you if you do the dance.

And that's what I love about Matt.

He talks so deeply about that's not really how it works.

There's just so much about understanding the story and what it is about

who you are and maybe what you think you want is not really actually what you want, but that's

part of the journey. So we also go into a really, really deep conversation about honesty as an

empath. And I really struggle with this because I am such an empath and

therefore I have a hard time being very honest it's sometimes too raw or real and I

can tell like whoa okay I have to like tone it back how I say it or I don't say it

at all I navigate that so we really deep dive this, which I am so grateful for because I needed

to hear this so much. And we just had so many good nuggets at the end. We even talked about

our relationship with eating meat, which I think is an important conversation with spirituality

and eating meat and our bodies as a temple and what that means.

So I just want to share a little bit about Matt if you haven't gotten to know him through

his amazing work.

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