Marshall here, welcome back to the Realignment.

So I think this actually maps to some dynamics of the 18th century, where AOC has sort of been 1840s.

So she is an example of a leader building the foreman advocating for change, building the resistance.

Resistance, by its nature, is non-Governing. Whether it's left-wing or right-wing, I think of the ferment, the rage, to come back to the title of my book, as being something that maps to the 1840s.

And it was then after that period where you saw the emergence of the Bismarck and the others.

Who drew from that. But it wasn't like the anarchist labor leader who implemented these policies.

The anarchist labor leader may have advocated for X and X minus 10 is actually what became codified into stash-outure regulation by leaders who do know how to forge consensus.

Quick programming note for everyone. Sagar and I are on the road this week, so this episode and the one after it are gonna be just me.

I've been thinking a lot about a two-star review we got on Apple Podcasts and just to really summarize, the reviewer pointed out that a lot of what Sagar and I thought about a political re-alignment, especially back in the first season, didn't really come to pass.

Good way of thinking about our frame back in 2019, early pre-COVID 2020, and definitely the 2018 space when we were thinking about the show was this idea that everything after 2016 came down to populism.

Whether it was of the left or of the right, that was the central frame through thinking about politics. And in the reviewer's review, which you didn't check out on Apple Podcasts, if you haven't done that yet, he just points out that that frame effectively wasn't correct.

Therefore, he gets the sense that he or she gets the sense that the show is treading water because we don't exactly have a frame.

I've really been obsessed with that pushback because it gets to something very useful, which is everyone, whether they're left, right, center, non-affiliated, Democrat or Republican, everyone based, we get this idea that we're all searching for a frame to understand our political moment right now, understanding that it states, understand the world.

And it's been very clear for the past season that Saga and I have been listlessly trying to figure out how we should think about things.

So a good way to think of the upcoming episodes is we are all trying to get at what that frame should be.

If we're rejecting the frame of the first season, how can we work through the show and the interviews we have to help all of us think about these things a little better.

So that in mind, our guest today is Alec Ross. He is the author of the Raging 2020s, companies, countries, people, and the fight for a future.

He's a book is a former state of artificial. He's a professor and he's also the author of the industries of the future. I cannot recommend either his books enough.

This is the perfect way to kick off our focus on understanding our political moment because it's very timely.

In the sense that this book is about the 2020s, it's about how if we're looking at the debates we're having right now, they basically come down to the fact that the social context is very important.

The fact that the social contract that we came up with during the founding of this country during the 19th, early 20th century is effectively breaking down.

And most of our fights are going to come down to disagreements about how our society should look and how the various actors and our society should operate.

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