Martian Saga here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

I basically, I kind of paraphrased David Rappaport, who's a political scientist at UCLA,

who talked about these four ways of terror from anarchism, anti-colonial, Marxist and religious.

And we're in the religious way. This has gone on the longest. It's going to be the hardest

to stop because the Soviet Union can go out of business. So the Marxist terrorist groups

kind of fade it around the same time. The anti-colonial groups basically got the British out of Palestine.

They got the change to British rule in Northern Ireland. They got the French out of Algeria.

So those groups kind of succeeded. So they also faded away because of success.

And it's if you terror groups don't usually succeed. Now these groups, these religious groups,

I think they're in the hot much harder to manage as an issue.

This is a little different, but we had a bit of a technical difficulty with today's show. So

we're going to switch things up a bit and record a bit longer of an intro to cover everything

we're talking about, especially this episode. And the guest today is Peter Bergen. He is a vice-president

in New America and a professor at Arizona State University. Before that though, he was one of the

most extensive reporters on the life, work, and career careers putting it lightly up. So I've been

a lot of it. You all know that we've done this long series on the war on terror and American foreign

policy. There's definitely a part of the audience despite traffic being at record highs who's kind

of wondering, why don't they give it back to the normal populist politics stuff? What's

our guy wanted to talk about for a quick second is why we just feel this series, which started with

General Bojure, went to Amy Chua on tribalism, then Elbridge Cole, William F. U.S. and China.

And now to this conversation on the war on terror. It's really meant a lot to us. And we think it's

really important to watch these episodes in sequence before we pivot out to our more politically focused

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