And from there, actually, what's most effective over time is to make the conversation

not just about your kids, because that is a great starting point, but very often the friendships

that develop into something deeper and more meaningful. It's not only that other people

really should be about ourselves. And so if we can then gradually move the conversations

from talking about our kids to talking about us, or something that we just find interesting,

and something that we enjoy and are passionate about, that can be really helpful.

I'm Amy. And I'm Abby. And as women, we are constantly comparing ourselves to others.

But your life isn't supposed to look like hers. Being your best self means standing firm in

your decisions, and always being willing to grow with a purpose. We get vulnerable and real,

with an honest look into the challenges and triumphs we all face. Every woman listening is

the opportunity to choose what life looks like for herself.

We are really excited for this episode today, because it's a question that Amy and I get

almost every single week from this community. And that's on the topic of adult friendship.

So making new friends, feeling confident and fulfilled in your friendships,

keeping friendships alive as a mother and as a busy adult, like we get it. It can be a challenge.

Amy and I have had her own challenges, and we bring them up throughout this episode.

But today we have Dr. Miriam Kermeer on, and she's a clinical psychologist and a friendship expert.

She has spent a decade you guys researching the science of friendship and social connection.

And what we love about this interview and her work is that she really focuses on helping people

to cultivate resilience. And by cultivating this resilience, it can help you as a listener build

healthier relationships and live a more connected life. Because after all, isn't that what we want

to feel more connection? We also love that Miriam is a mom of two little boys. So she gets it.

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