Welcome to Job with Julie. I'm Julie Slattery and I'm having coffee again at Mission Roaster,

Mission Coffee Roasters. I guess I need more coffee. But we're having coffee with Greg and Aaron Smalley.

And if you heard our conversation last week, I know that you're excited about what we're going to cover today

because they're talking about the real things. Not only in marriage, but in family life and relationships,

you cannot have a relationship without having conflict.

And Greg and Aaron, your perspective is that conflict is actually necessary and a good thing.

It's part of how we learn to understand each other.

And you talked about why that was last week.

So this week, what we're going to get into is you often use this term. You have to keep your

heart open. As soon as you close your heart, you can't resolve conflict. So we're going to

spend our conversation talking about what that means to have an open heart,

but also the realities of how do you have an open heart when you don't trust?

So that's kind of setting the table for where we're going today.

Let's get into it.

All right, cool.

Let's get ready to rumble.

Yeah.

So let's start with maybe a conflict from your marriage that you can share a little bit about

like what open heart looks like versus a closed heart.

Yeah, I tell you, for me lately, and we've written extensively on this topic, we've a book

called Fight Your Way to a Better Marriage.

We've taught this for 15, 20 years.

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