Hey there, Freedom Fighters. My name is Andrew Warner. I'm the founder of Mixergy, where I've interviewed some of the world's best entrepreneurs over the last, what, eight, nine years now. And I did it because I wanted to learn from them and thought the audience could learn along with me. Here's something that I still have not learned from them and I've been struggling with. How do I hire? How do I hire people to come help me out? So much of what I do

is instinctively me doing it and taking it on or me doing it because I don't know how to hire

somebody else to do it. And hiring has been a huge issue for me. And in a past interview with

Cameron Harold, I brought it up. And I intentionally at the time interviewed Cameron

Harold because he is the COO guy. He is the founder of the COO Alliance, the world's leading

network for the second in command. He is someone that many people told me I should go study and talk to

him. And I said, all right, let's bring him on for an interview and talk to him.

I did it.

And in the interview, he was really generous.

He said, Andrew, if you want, I can come back and I can actually walk you through this. I can do a coaching session. We could do it recorded if you want on Mixergy. And I said, yes, that's a great idea. And you know what? damn it, I didn't follow up.

And here's why I didn't follow up.

I'm embarrassed.

I don't know why I'm so embarrassed by this.

I don't get embarrassed by a lot of stuff.

If you heard my interviews, you hear me get pretty frank about my flaws, my mistakes. I don't usually trumpet my successes nearly enough as I do talk openly about my vulnerabilities. And still, this is something I was embarrassed about. But I think if I don't hire somebody to help out, somebody to be the second in command at Mixergy, I am probably going to collapse.

And if I don't collapse, I don't think my kids will see me enough.

So that's what this interview is about.

It's not so much an interview as like a coaching call with the guy who knows this better than anyone else.

He was formerly the COO of 1-800 got junk.

He's trained so many other COOs.

And so I've invited him here to talk about, well, to help me, to teach me, to guide me.

And along the way, you'll get to hear what I learned and to benefit from it. This whole conversation, I'll call it a conversation on an interview, is sponsored by two great companies. The first will organize your financials right so you know how much money you're making or losing and spending and bringing in every month. It's called Bench. And the second is a company that will help you hire your next phenomenal developer. It's called TopTal, but I'll tell everyone about those later. First, Cameron, good to have you on here. Hey, Andrew, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Looking forward to this. Yeah, thanks for following up with me. I really just, it was weighing on me that I didn't follow up with you. And at the same time, I said, I can't bring myself to do it. I can't bring myself to ask you for it. I think also partially because it's like free help.

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