Welcome to Java with Julie. I am here at Mission Coffee, having coffee with Michelle Kashat.

And Michelle, welcome back to Java with Julie.

Thank you, Julie. I'm so glad to be back. It's been too long, I have to say.

It has been, what, like two years?

Yeah. It was 2015, yeah, so two years.

And for people who heard that interview that you did with me two years ago, they're immediately

going to remember and they're going to say, I'm so glad she's back, because that interview

that we did back then was one of my favorite that we've ever done on job with Julie.

So, yes. It was extremely memorable for me.

And just to give some context, it was the first interview I did after recovering from, um,

from tongue cancer surgery as well as radiation and chemotherapy. So it was literally my first time

coming back out and speaking to the

world as a woman who sounded very different things she did before. And I remember you were so sick.

I was so sick. I don't even know, honestly, I don't even know how I made it in my car down here,

but we did. And you were sipping on a smoothie. And I still remember some of the things that you said at that time that were so meaningful.

You were talking about your book, Undone, but really sharing your life story.

And again, being in the midst of chemotherapy and surgery and more threats of cancer.

You, at that time, you still are, but at that time of suffering, we're in such a position

and talk about where God is in the midst of suffering that it was just profound.

It was, you know, it was really sacred time.

It's hard to, you know, it's hard to even describe.

We tend to think as pain is something that we want to move past quickly and get to the place of no pain.

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