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Welcome to the rest of this politics leading with me, Rory Stewart.

And with me, Alastair Campbell.

And today we are delighted to have with us, Jonas Gar Stora, who is the Prime Minister of Norway.

Now, Norway is one of those countries which

is often said it punches well above its weight, not least because of its wealth. This is a country

with a population almost identical to Scotland, and well, if only the UK had invested our oil

money in the kind of sovereign wealth fund that Norway now has,

which is pretty much the richest in the world. I first met Jonas shortly after he became

leader of the opposition, Labour Party in 2014, and his campaign team invited me out to see

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