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I'll Drink to That! Wine Talk

151: Patrick Cappiello

I'll Drink to That! Wine Talk

Levi Dalton

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4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2014

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

Patrick Cappiello returns to the show to discuss how he became a Managing Partner and the Wine Director at Pearl & Ash in New York City, a restaurant that has since closed. Patrick was also the guest in episode 32 of I'll Drink to That!

Also in this episode, Erin Scala discusses the science of flavor perception.

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0:00.0

I'll drink to that where we get behind the scenes of the beverage business.

0:05.4

I'm Levy Dalton.

0:06.4

I'm Erin Scala and here's our show today. Oh, We talk about flavors and characteristics of wine all the time in our business, as if there are concrete facts.

0:40.0

And in a way, when you're smelling and talking about wine, it helps to be able to nail down the tangible aspects of it all.

0:47.0

But tasting things is also enmeshed in perception.

0:51.0

We may think we are tasting and smelling things in wine, but really these

0:55.3

flavors are created by our brain. And our different brains create different flavors and

1:00.4

ideas attached to those flavors.

1:05.0

When our brain creates flavors, there are two main things that are happening.

1:09.0

First, there is a substance smelled, and this substance becomes a data file so to speak in your mind.

1:16.8

The second thing that happens is you filter this information through cultural paradigms

1:21.4

and your own bank of past experience.

1:24.0

So once we both smell something,

1:27.0

there are infinite ways in which our ideas of what we have just smelled

1:30.0

can differ from one another.

1:39.0

The science of flavor is a pretty interesting field of study. You probably all have Harold McGee's on food and cooking,

1:43.0

and whenever you look something up, you'll find out what molecule makes one thing or another taste a certain way.

1:48.0

But neuroscientist Gordon Shepard points out that,

1:51.0

though each food has its characteristic molecular composition,

1:55.2

modified by its preparation, by themselves foods have no flavors, they are the raw materials

2:01.9

out of which the brain creates flavor.

2:04.0

So how does our brain create flavor?

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